2020 Annual General Meeting - Oral History NSW Inc

Thank you to everyone who attended our first online AGM. It was great to see everyone and celebrate the achievements of our members and look forward to the year ahead.

At the AGM we announced the winner of the OHNSW Community History Award, presented to Masako Fukui and the Cowra Voices project, as well as a Special Commendation Award for Ann Howard for “Eisteddfod to Stage: Ryde Eisteddfod 30 AMAZING YEARS 1988 to 2018” .

We will be posting their presentations from the AGM online shortly.

2021 - Oral History NSW Committee members  (l-r: Kylie, Andrew, Maria, Gwyn, Scott, Shirleene, Minna, Alex)

2021 - Oral History NSW Committee members (l-r: Kylie, Andrew, Maria, Gwyn, Scott, Shirleene, Minna, Alex)

The following were elected at the AGM on 31 October 2020:

  • President — Maria Savvidis

  • Vice-President — Scott McKinnon

  • Treasurer — Andrew Host

  • Secretary — Kylie Andrews

  • Public Officer — Minna Muhlen-Schulte

  • Committee Member — Gwyn McClelland

  • Committee Member — Alexandra Dellios

  • Committee Member — Shirleene Robinson

You can read the President’s Report here.

New editor for Network News


Oral History NSW recently welcomed a new editor for our regular oral history newsletter - Network News.

Dr Gwyn McClelland is a Lecturer in Japanese at the University of New England. An oral historian, he conducts research engaging with religious discourses in memory and history. Gwyn’s book was published this year entitled, ‘Dangerous Memory in Nagasaki: Prayers, Protests and Catholic Survivor Narratives’, based on his oral history project discussing with Catholic survivors their interpretations of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki.

Welcome Gwyn!

You can subscribe to Network News and read previous editions here.

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Gilgandra workshop report by Andrew Host

Oral History NSW Treasurer Andrew Host reflects on a recent training workshop he co-presented in regional NSW . If you are interested in receiving oral history training for a group and can provide a suitable venue, please get in touch with Oral History NSW.

Earlier in September Pauline Curby and I had the pleasure of presenting Oral History NSW’s Capturing Memories workshop at Gilgandra, hosted by the local Country Women’s Association.

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Thirteen enthusiastic participants attended this practical workshop to learn all about the practicalities of recording the experiences of family, friends, local communities, history of museum items or any other project incorporating memories of the past.

The morning was spent with Pauline leading them through all the ins and outs of good oral history, including valuable time performing and reviewing practice interviews. My job in the afternoon was to teach them as much as possible in the short time available to us about the technical aspects of recording oral history.

There was a great impetus for participants wanting to start their oral history projects sooner rather than later. Especially realising how important it is to record the history of the region before all the people who know the history are gone.

The CWA were more than generous hosts, and we had the good fortune after the workshop of being guests at the CWA International night, the theme of which was Ecuador, and so we were treated to delicious Ecuadorian cuisine.

We greatly enjoyed presenting the workshop and everyone’s positive responses, not to mention being out in the clean clear country air with such kind and generous country folk.

Andrew Host has been a member of Oral History NSW since 2012, and has been on the executive committee since 2013 where he now serves as Treasurer.
He regularly presents training courses for Oral History NSW where he shares his knowledge and expertise from over 40 years working in audio preservation and recording.

Oral History Australia journal: Studies In Oral History 

The 2021 issue of the Oral History Australia journal Studies In Oral History will be based on the theme 'Oral history, place and environment'.

Congratulations also to Oral History NSW committee member Alexandra Dellios who will be taking over from Francesco Ricatti as chair of the journal's Editorial Board, as of the 2021 issue.

Call for Papers

Humans are profoundly emplaced beings. We become attached to places – be they homes, cities or natural environments—so that when we are separated from them, we become homesick. Geographer Yi-Fu Tuan referred to this love of place or sense of place as ‘topophilia’, and it can also be connected to cultural belonging or family identity. Hence our place memories can be deeply felt and intensely personal. Moreover, place memories can retain a special resonance in the mind over time,associated as they are with sensory experiences, emotional associations and social inflections. Place matters, as oral historians have shown across a range of settings.

Place can be specific and localised, but it can also be extrapolated to the physical environments we inhabit more broadly. Increasingly, the fields of oral history and environmental history are finding productive intersections. Oral history offers attention to the ways in which humans remember and narrate their relationships to environments. Environmental history insists upon close attention to the more-than-human world, and the relationships between nature and culture, people and place. As environmental catastrophes with anthropogenic causes become  more common in the twenty-first century, understanding human interrelationships with specific places and the environment is arguably more critical—and more urgent—than ever before.

This special issue of Studies in Oral History (formerly Oral History Australia Journal) invites reflections upon the ways in which oral history can illuminate and expand our understandings of place and environment. We invite broad and varied interpretations of this theme, which may include (but are not limited to):

  • Childhood memories of place

  • Connections to home, town, region or nation

  • Indigenous connections to country

  • Urban place memories

  • Regional and rural place memories

  • Place attachment and migration

  • Family history and meanings of ‘home’

  • Intergenerational knowledge of and attachment to place

  • ‘Natural’ disasters

  • Environmental activism

  • Histories of environmental degradation

  • Environmental regulation

  • Environmental protection and rejuvenation.

To be considered for peer review, articles should be between 5,000 and 8,000 words (excluding references) and are due 30 November 2020. Publication of the special issue is anticipated in late 2021.

Any queries about this special issue can be directed to Joint Editors Skye Krichauff  skye.krichauff@adelaide.edu.au and Carla Pascoe Leahy  Carla.pascoeleahy@unimelb.edu.au.

Contributions can be emailed to the Editorial Board Chair Alexandra Dellios:  alexandra.dellios@anu.edu.au

2020 - Oral History NSW Committee members

The following were elected at the AGM on 26 October 2019:

  • President — Maria Savvidis

  • Vice-President — Scott McKinnon

  • Treasurer — Andrew Host

  • Secretary — Kylie Andrews

  • Public Officer — Isobelle Barrett Meyering

  • Committee Member — Minna Muhlen-Schulte

  • Committee Member — Alexandra Dellios

  • Committee Member — Shirleene Robinson

Current and former Presidents of Oral History NSW: Maria Savvidis and Shirleene Robinson

Current and former Presidents of Oral History NSW: Maria Savvidis and Shirleene Robinson

Biennial OHA Conference - reflections

We asked Rhonda Povey, recipient of the Oral History NSW conference bursary to tell us about her experience attending the Biennial Oral History Australia Conference held in Brisbane last month.

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The 2019 Biennial Conference of Oral History Australia was held between 10-13 October on Yuggera Country at the State Library of Queensland, with a theme of ‘Intimate Stores, Challenging Histories’. I was fortunate enough to receive a bursary funded by the NSW OHA to attend the conference, presenting my work on proper-way research, that is research using ethical research methods and methodologies in a remote Aboriginal community. The conference ran in 3 strands across 2 days; I was privileged to attend several thought-provoking presentations interrogating intimate stories and challenging histories.

The opening plenary presented by Katrina Srigley set the tone by speaking about relational storytelling and story listening; an unlearning and learning journey with Nipissing First Nation of the shorelines of Lake Ontario. Perspectives about true listening, ‘listening with the heart’ and interpretation permeated the conference as presenters and attendees considered the means in which oral history can speak back and assume its rightful place in mainstream history. 

Awareness of the ongoing attempts at colonial erasure of Indigenous experiences and perceptions in history held a prominent place in presentations, provoking consideration of the impact of silencing and silences in oral historiography. For example Skye Kirchauff asked us to consider the perceived silence about Aboriginal people in public and private spaces of her hometown in South Australia. The notion of silencing also presents in the realm of memorialisation; specifically in the ways frontier violence and Aboriginal massacres in Australia became part of our colonial forgetting. Through discussion based on two public monuments in the East Kimberly Cameo Dalley, Ashely Barnwell and Sana Nakata explored the ways contemporary Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal communities think about each other in terms of how wars are commemorated. 

Sites of attempted silencing in history reach into the disability narrative and Penny Harrison suggests oral history has a significant role to play in developing a more intimate and inclusive understanding of disability, challenging the established narrative of marginalisation. Diasporic stories from Cambodia, presented by Naomi Frost, reminds us that in the transmission of family narratives silence may not be forgetting, but rather deeply nuanced by personal, temporal and spatial distances. 

Several presentations focussed on the ethics of research in making Aboriginal history, be it in Aboriginal Art (McHugh, Neale and McLean), proper-way research in remote communities (Rhonda Povey) Aboriginal stories about ‘The Reserve’ in Broome (Elaine Rabbitt), or Gaja Kerry Charlton yarning about life on Benarrawa. The plenary ‘Indigenous Oral History: challenges and opportunities’ was a fitting close to the conference. Panel members Lorina Barker, Gaja Kerry Charlton, Sadie Heckenberg and Katrina Srigley raised questions such as how do we navigate the inquiry space so as to ensure custodianship of stories? How do we as historians decolonise ourselves and historiography? And how do we overcome the invisibility of the obvious? What does reciprocity truly mean? Katrina Srigley asked “How do we do this with love?” Speaking from the standpoint of a Yuggera woman, Gaja Kerry Charlton reminded the audience the challenges to opportunity involve “precariously stepping over the edge into our world”. 

Many thanks to all those involved in organising the conference. I know I don’t speak only for myself in saying many wonderful stories were shared, both in presentations and amongst the conference attendees!

-Rhonda Povey

2018 - Oral History NSW Excellence in Community History Award - Carol McKirdy

Carol McKirdy receiving the NSW Excellence in Community History Award from Scott McKinnon, Oral History NSW. History House , Macquarie St, Sydney 8/9/2018

Carol McKirdy receiving the NSW Excellence in Community History Award from Scott McKinnon, Oral History NSW. History House , Macquarie St, Sydney 8/9/2018


We asked Carol McKirdy - last year’s recipient of the Oral History NSW Excellence in Community History Award, to tell us about her winning entry The Egyptian Life Stories of the Sutherland Shire Oral History Project.

Thank you Carol!
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Oral History NSW has an annual award for community-based oral history projects -  the Oral History NSW Excellence in Community History Award. The $500 award is designed to acknowledge the work of individuals or community groups who are recording the histories of their communities. I am the very proud recipient of the 2018 award as oral historian of The Egyptian Life Stories of the Sutherland Shire Oral History Project.

This project was funded with a Cultural grant from the NSW Government Office of Environment and Heritage, administered by the Royal Australian Historical Society. My winning entry in the competition was chosen by a committee of three oral historians from Oral History NSW based on the project’s contribution to understandings of community history and the quality, originality and/or significance of project outputs.

The Egyptian Life Stories of the Sutherland Shire Oral History Project was conducted in 2017 to 2018 to record the history of migration of Coptic Egyptians into the Sutherland Shire area of Sydney. This cooperative project was conducted within the Local Egyptian Coptic community under the guidance of the Very Rev Fr Tadros El-Bakhoumi and facilitated by Jenny Grey, the manager of Multicultural Services, Gymea Community Aid and Information Services located in Gymea.

Ten oral histories were collected. The project created digital oral history interviews with accompanying field notes and technical and narrator data. As well, a photo story/video based on the histories was made that summarises the project’s key understandings. The photo story/video uses narrator audio excerpts with images and Pharaonic music supplied by the Egyptian Coptic community. It summarises the project making the full oral histories easily accessible to a wider audience. entire project is stored at Sutherland Shire Library and the library also transcribes all the interviews.

As project oral historian I worked within the Egyptian community to empower them, build capacity and ensure ownership, authenticity and community engagement with the project. We worked together to decide the essential focus, historical questions that needed to be answered and project parameters. Copyright remains with the interviewee. We also interviewed people who needed an interpreter. A community launch was celebrated at the end of the project.

A very significant aspect of the project was safety for interviewees because of the current political situation in Egypt. The Egyptian Coptic community settling in the Sutherland Shire are Christians and most left Egypt because of varying degrees of persecution because they were part of the Christian minority in Egypt. There was genuine angst and fear for participants because of potential repercussions for family and friends still living in Egypt.

In the timeframe of the project extreme violence happening in Egypt directly affected some Sutherland Shire interviewees. Safety for interviewees shaped the project. Anonymity was essential for 50% of interviewees. The project was designed to offer safety and secrecy to interviewees and capture their histories.

Sutherland Shire Libraries archives all documentation gathered in the project, transcribes the full oral histories and accessions the project for interested researchers and the general public - listeners (full oral histories), viewers (photo story/video of the project and readers (transcriptions and field notes).  

Carol McKirdy
History Herstory     Retell Record Retain

Frances Rush - OAM

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Oral History NSW congratulates long time member Frances Rush on being awarded an Order of Australia Medal (OAM) last week for work with communities. Frances first worked in oral history in the early 1990s. She was a committee member of Oral History NSW from 2005 to 2011. 

Her oral history projects include People of the Cross (with Gina Lennox) held at the State Library of NSW, interviews on the social impact of polio in Australia held at the National Library of Australia, Stuff Happens – an oral history project on squalor and hoarding for the NSW Public Guardian & Catholic Community Services and interviews for the Forgotten Australians and Former Child Migrants Oral History Project.

NLA - New head of Oral History

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Hearty congratulations to Oral History NSW & ACT President, and prominent oral historian, academic, author and public commentator Dr Shirleene Robinson, who will be taking up one of Australia's most senior oral history posts as the Senior Curator Oral History and Indigenous Programs at the National Library of Australia (NLA).

Dr Robinson starts at the Library in mid September 2018. An Associate Professor, she comes to the Library from Macquarie University where she has been the Vice Chancellor's Innovation Fellow in the Discipline of Modern History since 2011. She was a Rydon Fellow at King's College, London in 2013 and has also spent time in Hohhot, China as a Visiting Professor of Australian Studies. 


Dr Robinson has managed or participated in a long list of significant oral history projects, including some in partnership with the National Library, such as the very successful, The Past in the Present: Australian Lesbian and Gay Life Stories.

Her work has extended across a range of areas in social history, public policy and contemporary Australia. Her PhD was in the field of Indigenous history after which she worked in the Queensland Department of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Policy. 

She lists her research interests as:

  • the history of sexuality (including the construction of homosexual identities and homophobia)
  • histories of HIV/AIDS (including volunteering)
  • the history of LGBTIQ people in the military
  • the history of childhood in national and transnational context (including the experiences of Aboriginal children)
  • oral history as a method and practice.  

Ruth Melville - Oral History conference, Belfast 2018

Ruth Melville was the recipient of Oral History NSW's grant, which enabled her to attend the Oral History Society and Network Ireland Annual Conference in Belfast in June 2018.
She shares with us her experience of attending and presenting at the conference:

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Preserving memory is a stubborn act.  So said Rama Lakshmi, journalist for ThePrint, India, in her plenary address at the 2018 Annual Conference of the Northern Ireland Oral History Society and Oral History Network. Rama was speaking about the Bhopal Museum, a site dedicated to preserving the memory of thousands of people who died and the estimated half million others exposed to toxic gas from the Union Carbide gas leak in 1984. Why must we remember Bhopal? Because, Rama said, the cost of not remembering is enormous.

The two day conference in June was held at Queen’s University, Belfast and took as its theme Dangerous Oral Histories: Risks, Rewards and Responsibilities. 

I was fortunate to be the recipient of an Oral History NSW grant which enabled me to travel to Belfast and present a paper about my work as a writer with the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. In my concurrent session Tamara Kennelly described her experience working with students involved in the Virginia Tech shooting tragedy. And Trisha Logan reflected on oral histories of the Indian residential school system in Canada. 

In several sessions throughout the conference the theme arose of oral history abutting other interests, including those of government and other institutions. Rama worked with others to prevent ‘the official hijacking’ of Bhopal memories by those keen to present an image of India’s positive economic and social growth. This survivors’ museum is seen by some as inconvenient to the public perception the government wishes to convey. 

Many delegates throughout the conference returned to the question of ownership of interview and story in oral history. Just because we can – investigate, interview, publish – should we? Issues of consent, the right of interviewees to amend, retract, redact, and withdraw their consent at any time presented practical and ideological challenges for many projects.

The Northern Ireland Prisoners Memory Archive (PMA) was one such. Its archive dates to 2006 when recordings were made with people who had a connection with Armagh Gaol and the Maze and Long Kesh Prison during the Troubles. Prison staff, prisoners, educators, chaplains and visitors took part in audio and video interviews. The PMA shares ownership of the recordings with participants who have the power of veto over material. This has led to the withdrawal of significant material over the years and highlights how issues of preservation, access and engagement can change over time. The PMA’s stated commitment is to an ethical protocol intended to establish trust in a society emerging from violence where political and personal sensitivities remain tender.

Australians were well-represented at the conference and apart from engaging in the many sessions and social activities could be seen assiduously avoiding the sun while those from cooler climes happily baked. 

To end with the beginning. For those undertaking oral history interviews, the importance of knowing where the story will eventually be stored can guide the way to a project’s starting point and its shape. While it isn’t possible to predict the wide scope of future technologies and the ways in which people’s words offered in one context might be used in another, knowing where the words will live is important. 

What will happen to your material? Who will listen to it and by what likely means? How will it be stored? Is it enough to put your interviews – carefully named and catalogued – on a USB device? Or cloud, server, hard drive, in the National Library. Whether in its entirety or excerpts the material must be thought about and its content – including context and responsibility to interviewees – cared for. 

Asking the question in the beginning goes some way to preventing trouble in the future. 

Doug Boyd from the University of Kentucky writes a blog: Digital Omnium: Oral History, Archives, and Digital Technology. He also leads a team that developed and implemented the open source and free OHMS system, which synchronizes text with audio and video online making work easier to search and thereby open to a wider audience. His website is worth looking at for lots of practical advice and suggestions. It’s at http://ohda.matrix.msu.edu/ 

Seamus Heaney went to Queen’s University. There’s a portrait of him in City Hall. I thought of him during the conference, and in particular his poem A Call which starts like this:

‘Hold on,’ she said. ‘I’ll just run out and get him.
The weather here’s so good, he took the chance
To do a bit of weeding.’

Check out the rest of it. Poetry, like oral history, is a stubborn act. 

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